I'm incredibly concerned about these laser cutters...

Angus Deveson
Sep 23, 2022
Hey all!

It seems that cheap diode laser cutters are the hottest maker product currently, and I'm incredibly concerned.

Laser cutters are a fantastic companion technology to 3D Printing, but come with serious safety considerations such as the risk of eye injury, fumes and fire if something goes wrong or a dangerous material is cut. Unfortunately none of the companies pushing these units seem to care, so I'm working on a video to discuss my concerns.

I would love to know your thoughts on this topic - are laser cutters such as the "Creality CR-Laser Falcon" products that should be sold? Can the safety risks be mitigated or do you think I'm just overreacting? I will be sharing your views in the video also. Please also let me know if you do have a laser and how you manage it.

Stay safe and keep making cool things!

Angus ~ Maker's Muse
Michael Newman
Oct 4, 2022
I watched the video and those were almost my exact thoughts on laser cutters.   I originally tried using one indoors but the first time I tried etching on wood, I thought my wife was going to kick ME out of the house.  And with the laser is exposed, my kids kept seeing the light emitted and wanted to go up to it and watch.  (I never even let them in the room). In the end it was just too much for me to deal with so I gave it to a friend that has a shop and no kids. 
Angus Deveson
Oct 5, 2022
Sorry to hear you had to get rid of it but yeah that's exactly the issue! We can be responsible for our own safety (or lack thereof) but as soon as someone else, or a pet is at risk it's an entirely different story. 
Matt Muelver
Oct 5, 2022
It’s funny that you’ve got a picture of the Creality falcon in your post, I just bought one of these. I’m excited by the possibilities that the laser will add to my ability to make things but I am definitely taking extreme caution with it. I’m planning to make an enclosure with an exhaust system and until then I’ll only be running it in the garage. Thanks for all you’ve done to inform your audience of the dangers, I certainly have learned a lot from you!
Angus Deveson
Oct 8, 2022
I think with an enclosure and exhaust it should be safe enough :) Just don't laser any PVC!
Jim Warters
Oct 5, 2022
I haven't (yet) ordered a laser cutter head for my Kingroon KP5L FDM printer, but I have been tempted on several occasions. I acknowledge the hazards and your statement that manufacturers have done little to nothing to address safety hazards, much less sought to mitigate them. That said, the main thing that has kept me from purchasing is the relatively low power output of the lasers available as printer options. It may be counterintuitive to indicate that I would purchase a higher power laser cutting head knowing how little thought has gone into making them safer. However, I'm also not a fan of prohibiting people from purchasing much of anything (OK, a nuclear weapon is probably at least one exception) once they have acknowledged and accepted any hazard(s) involved.

I have no children, only a dog whose presence I can manage, so safety precautions are something that would be my responsibility, always assuming the hazards are clearly known. I certainly don't want to end up in Madame Marie Curie's boat due to any unknown unknowns which might be present. I don't think that's the case with consumer grade lasers (I have several low power laser devices or attachments which I use periodically and have taken more than one DVD apart). Having read your precautions when testing your saw equipped "robot" (Holy Cow!), I doubt you would consider my safety measures adequate. But that would be my risk to assume, again providing I didn't knowingly expose another living creature to the consequences of any of my mistakes. All this is a long winded way of stating that "yes, I would purchase a reasonably priced, more powerful laser cutting head if such was available."

Sorry your "robot" (quote marks reflect my prejudice that remotely controlled devices don't qualify as true robots; I believe some degree of autonomous action is required) was defeated by the CO2 powered flipper. I had seen a similar robot take on another saw equipped robot with similar, if less spectacular, results. After taking a beating (sawing?), the flipper managed to get its shovel under the sawyer and flip it onto its back. The later had no way of righting itself. Pity. I was rooting for the sawyer. How about replacing your saw with a pneumatic or CO2 operated nail gun. Or world that be considered too dangerous to employ? How satisfying would it be to exclaim "nailed it!"

Enjoy your work. Look forward to development of your site. Kind regards - Jim Warters
Angus Deveson
Oct 8, 2022
Yeah, I'm not a fan of prohibiting people from technology, but definitely feel there's a level of responsibility from the companies to ensure the products are safe OR that proper education is in place. 

I agree that robot is a stretch for remote controlled cars with weapons, but it sounded better so the term stuck I guess!

No projectiles allowed, because they'd likely go through the PC screen and hit the audience rather than do any real damage to the machines. The rules are generally in place for entertainment or safety reasons so no explosives, projectiles, liquids or RF jammers. There's still a lot of scope for inventive designs though!
David Hodge
Nov 3, 2022
Hey Angus, what was the air filter you were using in the first video? I've been looking but struggling to find a good air filter, available in Australia, that is reasonably priced. 

Inn answer to your question, these open frame lasers scare me. One of my mates bought a snap maker with the laser, and I calculated the NoHD, I don't remember the exact number, but the long and the short of it was an unlucky reflection could blind you from the other side of the room. Absolutely terrifying. 
Angus Deveson
Nov 4, 2022
Hi David, that particular unit was provided by Flux on request. It's essentially a large squirrel cage fan pulling through a stack of hepa filters and activated carbon in a pretty case -


I think you could get creative and recreate something similar for much less by finding a used fan and using a stack of air filter refills.

The snapmaker open laser was a major reason I never accepted a review of it... quite scary!
Mark Resman
Nov 7, 2023

Sometimes people need to be reminded.